case length too short

Probably not a problem if you don't prep a high volume of cases but it's something to watch for over time. I've posted my method on seating elsewhere. Did you resize the cases prior to measuring? Quick Method 1 As already noted, this method requires a case longer than the chamber. I have never heard of any real world absolute minimum case length for any bottlenecked cartridge. I have beleaved that the bullet should be as close to the throat of the barrel without touching or being forced against or to far away. F. Depending on the shortness of your shorts you may want a skinnier bias strip, so if you don’t want to add as much length cut 2.5 inches or 2 inches wide, just remember we’ll be folding these in half so my 3 inch wide strip is going to only be 1.5 inches wide when I attach it to the shorts. The same thing can happen to rifle cases, unless you go with the Lee FCD. Add Length to Your Shorts So I have green and blue shorts that I bought from Old Navy last summer. Because new cases are often slightly smaller in diameter than a fired and resized case, some allowance needs to be given for the initial case stretch that can occur when fired in the chamber. Your reloading manual will show you a maximum length and a trim-to length. The neck of the case must be annealed to the softest condition possible. Beginner reloader here. on use, as an observation, pistol cases get shorter and rifle get longer. At least I won't have to invest in a trimmer anytime soon. About straight walled revolver cases, all my load manuals show a “trim to case length” which I believe is the case length used in their published load recipes. The Lee Precision Cutter and Lock Stud works for most calibers. Something with good drape and flow) Ruler, scissors, and other basic sewing supplies; Step 1: Determine how much length you want to add to the top. I would think what I would be risking by useing the short cases if it were me.I know you will be safe to throw them away and use the correct length ones.It is my opinion we can't be too careful with reloaded ammo.Cases are cheap compared to an accident.Just my opinion,been loading now for 30 years with no problems! If yes is there anything I can do to correct them? Trim length = length where you trim the cases to when they are too long AFTER sizing Max-case length = maximum allowable case length at which point the neck may interfere with where the chamber ends in the rifle and could "crimp" the end of the brass into the bullet when chambered, resulting in a potential overpressure condition. So for the past 10 months  i couldnt find anything. Post by wheelgun7360 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:02 am i trim after the first firing and check them after about 5 firings. Say, .375 H&H? Archived.308 case length too short? 4. Whatever your regular luteal phase length is, it tends to be a consistent length … What effect will this have in ballistic performance ? For the best results, full-length resize each case and trim to .020” under maximum case length. If you like, you can model your own article after them in length. Max is .754. JMHO Trimming is needed if the case is above its maximum length and is necessary for uniform crimping. Anything from 2.005” to 2.015” is safe to use. I have some control rounds that I'll also shoot for a group. Articles on the blog have different lengths, and all of the following examples are good stories. Its all about the difference between SAAMI specs and 'real world': SAAMI Case Length is .992"-.010" SAAMI Chamber is .992"+.012" If you mic your unfired or resized cases, likely you'll find they are far shorter than the .992" SAAMI max length. I'm reloading .308. The 243 Winchester Super Short Magnum or 243 WSSM is a rifle cartridge introduced in 2003. If you want me to try YOUR ammo, let me use Your gun! I love little league baseball-- it keeps the kids out of the house. Too short top; Fabric ( lightweight knit or rayon-y woven fabrics, chiffon. 45-90 case for measuring a .45-70 chamber or reforming a .45-90 case to use in a .40-65 chamber. .308 case length too short? What is too short too use? … I seem to recall a recommended minimum neck length of 1/2 bullet diameter. Beginner reloader here. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. HS. I would determine the length of the chamber and trim to maximum length. like it was said above you might lose some consistency if you are looking for benchrest groups due to the inconsistent neck tension. Therefore, any gap between the case lip and the transition step may or may not widen. not the best place for a typo, i know, but that was supposed ot be .008. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. It uses a .300 WSM (Winchester Short Magnum) case shortened and necked down to accept a .243in/6mm diameter bullet, and is a high velocity round based on ballistics design philosophies that are intended to produce a high level of efficiency. Sorry. The Lee Precision Case Length Gauge and Shell Holder combined with the Lee Precision Cutter provides the simplest way to check the length of your cases and trim them to the correct, safe length. But they are not all the same length. Close. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. What to do with cases that dont measure up to at least trim length. A full length resized .45-90 case was used for a .40-65 chamber. I'm loading plinking ammo for now so accuracy is not really a concern. Both too short or too long can hurt you. Their trim to length was 2.005. i suppose the load could have impact on case length, hot or mild load. The minimum length is not as critical as the maximum length. A full-length resized case, being slightly So let me start by saying I am new to C#. They have been shot once from the same gun i will be shooting them from after loading. 2. Being shorter than the trim-to-length will not cause any safety problems, but may degrade accuracy. The Sinclair instructions have a warning that says maintain the case length so that it is a minimum of .024" shorter than the chamber length so that comes out to 1.556". So I neck sized them using my Hornady die, but after sizing the casings measure at 51,04 - 51,08mm or 2,009 - 2,011" and according to some googling a .308 casing should be 51,18mm or 2,014". On average, the luteal phase is between 12 and 14 days. I always seem to have a hard time finding shorts that are long enough too. I know different case lengths will change bullet seating depth. For best accuracy it is good to have a consistent case length. The case attracted lots of media ... consumer would have paid less for a sandwich had he or she known of the possibility of the bread's being up to 1/4-inch shorter than the advertised length." i rarely need to trim though. I wanted to ask what is an average safe case length. The issue I see is whether you are getting a decent taper crimp since your cases are so short. However, it can be as short as 8 days and as long as 16 days. Re: case length, how often to check? But in 20 pcs there are variations of .010 to.015 . The minimum case length, by the book, is .744. What is too short too use? The cartridge overall length is 72.6 mm, cartridge case is 53.34 mm in length and the bullet diameter is .308 in (7.62 mm), which is common to all U.S. .30 caliber cartridges. OK where do I go from here? After a case has been loaded and fired a few times, it may stretch beyond the maximum allowed length and must be trimmed. Trim your strip to length. They are always a bit too short. Pre-set case trimmers like Lee trim .005” less than Maximum for bottleneck cartridges. Reply Delete. Most cases are up to 9 thou shorter that the trim to length. Are mine too short to use? Great idea and awesome tutorial too! Thank you for the clarification. There is a slight downward drop in velocity that follows the neck length. Take a look. Question, I just used my Sinclair Chamber Length Gage Insert on my Savage 6 BR and got a reading of 1.580". My problem is I’m lucky if I get 5 cases at or over the “trim to length” out of the whole 100 case bag. Beginner reloader here and I am unsure about the length of my .223 cases. I reload 45 Colt, 38 Special and 357 Magnum. Basically the shortest that will retain the bullet. After what seems like forever of collecting reloading equipment, then when the moment came ALL powder and primers disappear. I have fired several cases that were trimmed too short. Visit the SWFA.com site to check out our current specials. The problem I kept having was that the index pin that sets the length kept digging a divot in the base piece. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Replies. At the same time, frictional forces on the inside of the case from the powder, wad and bullet tries to lengthen the case slightly. With those dies you are instructed to trim the cases 0.020 inches shorter than Max: "All cases must be sized and trimmed to the same overall length. This is a “one-time only” prepara- tion of any and all cases to be used in the X-Sizer die." I put together a little bench with som lee precision presses and dies, I have everything I need but In my manual I can only seem to find the maximum length for the case. Excuse my poor English, i'm still learning it's not my native language. As the case body and neck expand, the case tries to shorten slightly and the case lip tends to pull back. In the hornady manual it list trimmed case length and a max case length. The principle at work in the short magnum cartridge is the advantage of fitting larger volumes of powder in closer proximity to the primer's flash hole, resulting in more uniform, consistent ignition. We are probably talking 2.0100 to 2.005 or so. allen Also the casing have not been trimmed or chamfered, only neck sized and deprimed. Not too surprising that it does not show up on target at 200 yards though. So how can a 5.56 NATO case be trimmed to the shorter length of a .223 case when a 5.56 out of the box has a longer case ... sure how many times fired) and a 5.56 that measures 1.756 (fired once). .308 brass has a minimum length of 2.005” and a max of 2.015” I always trim mine if it’s above 2.013 and my trimmer trims to 2.005”. I feel like I'm just repeating code, is there a way to shorten it? As the 9mm is a tapered case it will gain a little length on resizing. I was using my calipers and checking everything. If these are mixed with normal cases that could be a problem since your dies will be set up to correctly crimp one length and not the other. So i have about 100 PPU branded .308 casings. (Almost too) extensive case: (2068… Where could I find minimum lengths for other calibers? If you are just plinking with an AR or you feel that 1MOA groups are acceptable, You aren't going to be in any trouble shooting cases down below the recommended 1.750" trim length. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. I have a switch statement that currently has 10 different cases, however, I need to use it 3 different times (same 10 cases, different results per case), and each case there is only a slight change. If over all case length is below max. Hi! I had some once fired brass i been collecting, as i went through them and was randoming checking them. Close up of long and short case. 1.555” is .005” less than Maximum case length for the 6mm BR and is a reasonable accepted standard. However, I try my best to make it no shorter than trim length but if I happen to go a few thousandths shorter than trim length, I don't sweat it and shoot it anyway. I have seen match grade ammo have a case length shorter than trim length. If you load heavy 44 or 357 mag load with a heavy rolled crimp, if the lengths vary too much, and you set the crimp on a short case, and then crimp a long one you can bulge the case. Reply. I've settled on the charge,seating depth and bullet and I'm getting best accuracy ever out of my rifle at 100 yds. So i have about 100 PPU branded .308 casings. Posted by 1 year ago. I would just load them to the proper OAL and fire them. Published case length … Isort my cases by head stamp and length so that they are all the same . To that measurement, add additional length for the top and bottom seam allowances. the small amt. Exceeding the maximum length can cause pressure spikes as the case mouth may not be able to expand properly to release the bullet. They have been shot once from the same gun i will be shooting them from after loading. Because of this allowance, the Manufacturer’s Initial Length will sometimes be slightly shorter than SAAMI minimum length. Case length 19.15 mm (0.754 in) Overall length 29.69 mm (1.169 in) Case capacity 0.86 cm³ (13 gr H2O) ... Also, longer will not boost up pressure unless the bullets are into the lands. The brass is shorter than the specs in the reloading manual (2.015"). Then all my cases were short by the depth of the divot, and kept getting shorter as the divot got deeper. Jenn. Normally I don't trim at all but if I do I only square the mouths and set them to an even length without removing much material. I don't crimp .223 so the neck being a little short makes no difference. 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